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groups matcing up

Postby Bugsy1956 » Tue May 12, 2015 6:04 pm

competition is a foursome - when arriving at a tee ( 3rd hole ) due to slow play the 4 in front had not teed off , they then decided both groups would join and play the hole together ( 8 golfers playing 4 balls) - following completion of 3rd hole groups then split back into 2 groups of four . Any breach of a golf rule here ?? and what would be penalty if so ??
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Re: groups matcing up

Postby Johanna » Tue May 12, 2015 6:42 pm

Hi Bugsy 1956,

Welcome! I think Rule 6-3b is breached. I'm not sure who is to be disqualified. Glad I'm not there to decide!
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Re: groups matcing up

Postby MikeH » Tue May 12, 2015 7:30 pm

Eight players, four balls, playing alternate shots.......Perfect recipe for playing a wrong ball. I've come across this before and it was decided that if they all jointly decided to play as an eight then all eight are DQ. If either group played under protest then only the other group DQ.
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Re: groups matcing up

Postby Colin L » Tue May 12, 2015 8:53 pm

How would refute the argument that each set of 4 players has remained in his group as required by 6-3b and that there is nothing in that rule to prevent two such groups playing the same hole at the same time?
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Re: groups matcing up

Postby Doug » Tue May 12, 2015 9:55 pm

Merging two groups on one hole whilst on the tee is IMO forming a new group.
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Re: groups matcing up

Postby MikeH » Tue May 12, 2015 10:10 pm

Colin, I can see where you are coming from but it's not quite as though a group is playing through the group in front and happen to be playing the same hole together and I would therefore agree with Doug that two groups deciding to play as an eight is forming a new group.
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Re: groups matcing up

Postby Colin L » Wed May 13, 2015 7:20 am

I should have been clearer that I wouldn't support the argument but was looking for a basis for refuting it as I couldn't for the moment think of one. Pretty obvious now that you have pointed it out - thanks to both.
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Re: groups matcing up

Postby Adrian Mackenzie » Thu May 14, 2015 1:26 am

Colin L wrote:How would refute the argument that each set of 4 players has remained in his group as required by 6-3b and that there is nothing in that rule to prevent two such groups playing the same hole at the same time?


R 6-3 b In stroke play, the competitor must remain throughout the round in the same group arranged by the Committee etc. By joining up with another group, they are still within the same members of their group but it is no longer the same group so DQ in my opinion.
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Re: groups matcing up

Postby don » Wed May 20, 2015 10:19 am

Just for your information. I found out that the committee DQed those from the second group but not the first group. The winner ofthe comp would have been in the second group had she not been DQed. The winner was a lady in the first group and the result posted on the club web site. Then things got messy!!!!!!!
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Postby Colin L » Wed May 20, 2015 12:13 pm

How odd! The first group presumably agreed to the arrangement and should be treated equally with the second, I would say.
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Re: groups matcing up

Postby MikeH » Thu May 21, 2015 8:56 pm

This sounds almost identical to the situation we had here [see earlier post] . I would therefore presume that the first group played under protest and were spared the DQ.

I guess the logic behind it would be as in Dec 2/1.
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Re: groups matcing up

Postby don » Fri May 22, 2015 8:58 am

Mike there were no protests, all were agreeable.
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Re: groups matcing up

Postby Adrian Mackenzie » Fri May 22, 2015 5:13 pm

don wrote:Mike there were no protests, all were agreeable.


Did the Committee offer any explanation as to how they arrived at their decision? It seems to me that they got it wrong and may have been favouring the declared winner.
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Re: groups matcing up

Postby don » Fri May 22, 2015 8:09 pm

Asa I said.... it got messy. I am awaiting more info.
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Re: groups matcing up

Postby MikeH » Sat May 23, 2015 8:02 pm

don wrote:Mike there were no protests, all were agreeable.


In which case I can now understand why it's all got messy :o
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