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New local rule 18-2

Postby Chippings » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:09 pm

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Re: New local rule 18-2

Postby Marek » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:32 pm

Chippings wrote:http://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules-hub/2017-local-rule/2017-local-rule-resources.html

Enjoy.

Also on R&A home page: http://www.randa.org/News/2016/12/New-L ... e-for-Golf

Very sensible IMO. But it surprises me that they say it will already be used in all their championships. They could have just as well made it a straight forward rule change.
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Re: New local rule 18-2

Postby Doug » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:36 pm

Not easily. As they say in the Q&As

7) Why not make this a permanent change to the Rules, instead of just a Local Rule?

The Rules of Golf are typically revised every four years, with the latest version taking effect in January 2016. The introduction of the Local Rule is outside the normal revision cycle and enables committees to eliminate the penalty for ball-moved situations on the putting green. While the relevant Rules are under consideration as part of the comprehensive Rules Modernisation project, we believed it was important to allow for committees to address this issue in advance of the full changes from that project taking effect.
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Re: New local rule 18-2

Postby Marek » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:39 pm

Doug wrote:Not easily. As they say in the Q&As

7) Why not make this a permanent change to the Rules, instead of just a Local Rule?

The Rules of Golf are typically revised every four years, with the latest version taking effect in January 2016. The introduction of the Local Rule is outside the normal revision cycle and enables committees to eliminate the penalty for ball-moved situations on the putting green. While the relevant Rules are under consideration as part of the comprehensive Rules Modernisation project, we believed it was important to allow for committees to address this issue in advance of the full changes from that project taking effect.

Normally that would have been true, but the latest (current) cycle is not four years, is it?

It doesn't say any longer on the Rules book for how long it's valid.
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Re: New local rule 18-2

Postby Marek » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:47 pm

Doug, thanks for pointing out the FAQ. This is really interesting:

As part of the Rules Modernisation initiative being pursued by The R&A and USGA, we plan to preview a comprehensive set of proposed changes in 2017.
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Re: New local rule 18-2

Postby Doug » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:48 pm

Marek wrote:
Doug wrote:Not easily. As they say in the Q&As

7) Why not make this a permanent change to the Rules, instead of just a Local Rule?

The Rules of Golf are typically revised every four years, with the latest version taking effect in January 2016. The introduction of the Local Rule is outside the normal revision cycle and enables committees to eliminate the penalty for ball-moved situations on the putting green. While the relevant Rules are under consideration as part of the comprehensive Rules Modernisation project, we believed it was important to allow for committees to address this issue in advance of the full changes from that project taking effect.

Normally that would have been true, but the latest (current) cycle is not four years, is it?

It doesn't say any longer on the Rules book for how long it's valid.
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Re: New local rule 18-2

Postby Doug » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:50 pm

Marek wrote:Doug, thanks for pointing out the FAQ. This is really interesting:

As part of the Rules Modernisation initiative being pursued by The R&A and USGA, we plan to preview a comprehensive set of proposed changes in 2017.


I guess that they hope to have the review in force before 2020. I gather they are making good progress.
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Re: New local rule 18-2

Postby MikeH » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:18 pm

My understanding is the review is set for 2017 and changes scheduled for January 2018. Not sure if fact or hearsay
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Re: New local rule 18-2

Postby IanRob » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:11 am

What are the R & A playing at ??

The Rules of golf state that...

Rule 33-1 states that no committee has the power to waive a Rule of Golf - yet that is the very thing they are now proposing !! :o

Rule 33-8 states that local rules are for “LOCAL”, “ABNORMAL” conditions - and there is nothing either local or abnormal about what they are now proposing. :?

Yet the R & A now say that committees should use a local rule to address this change of Golf Rule. No wonder the Rules of Golf are found by most people to be confusing. The R & A are simply compounding the confusion and should have dealt with this with a simple addendum.
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Re: New local rule 18-2

Postby Doug » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:50 pm

It was a pragmatic move.
It would be impossible to issue an addendum to the book or reissue an amended version to the millions of holders of the book.
It was relatively straightforward to make the facility available to clubs and courses affiliated to various national bodies. All clubs in England were notified within a day. No doubt those club managers not on holiday will have already given advance notice to their members. An in a couple of days time it will be on notice boards if the club adopts it.
Incidentally, this is not the first example of an authorised Local Rule not relating directly to 'abnormal conditions'.
Of course Local Rules are Rules by definition.
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Re: New local rule 18-2

Postby MaxSchibli » Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:28 am

Putting green: OK no penalty if ball moved accidentally. But what is the penalty if player doesn't replace the ball? Is it one or two strokes? I suppose one stroke ??

Other question in case of wind: The proposed Local Rule says "A ball-marker moved in such circumstances is replaced". Does this mean that the ball marker is either returned to the ball which was not moved by wind, or, joins the ball moved by wind which a ball marker would do anyway if the ball is moved by wind?
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Re: New local rule 18-2

Postby Colin L » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:22 pm

Two penalty strokes or loss of hole if the ball is not replaced as it is played from a wrong place.

The statement about replacing a ball marker that has been moved by wind or water is, as I read it, about a marker being moved while the ball is lifted. If a marked ball has not been lifted or if the ball has been replaced with the marker still in place, the ball is in play and what happens to the marker has no significance.
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Re: New local rule 18-2

Postby MikeH » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:41 pm

Agree with Colin 2sp. under General penalty of R18
Penalty for Breach of Rule:

Match play - Loss of hole; Stroke play - Two strokes.

*If a player who is required to replace a ball fails to do so, or if he makes a stroke at a ball substituted under Rule 18 when such substitution is not permitted, he incurs the general penalty for breach of Rule 18, but there is no additional penalty under this Rule.
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Re: New local rule 18-2

Postby MaxSchibli » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:37 am

Thank you Colin and Mike for your quick reply.
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