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R13-2 Removed Flagstick unattended or attended

PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:49 pm
by MikeH
Trying to get my head around some of the wording and thinking behind this new proposed rule

"Purpose of Rule 13.2: This Rule explains the player’s choices for dealing with the flagstick and what happens when a ball hits the flagstick. The player may leave the flagstick in the hole or have it attended or removed, but must decide before making a stroke. The player gets no penalty if the ball hits the unattended flagstick in the hole or accidentally hits an attended or removed flagstick or the person attending it, and the ball is normally played as it lies."

Players A, B and C are on the green. Green is reasonably steep being higher at the back. A is away and putting across the green and he elects to have the flagstick removed. B removes the flagstick and places it 3 yards away below the hole. A putts and the ball lips out at 90* to his line of putt and is now travelling with enough pace down the green toward the flagstick. C jumps in and moves the flagstick away and the ball finishes off the green.

My understanding is there would be no penalty to A if his ball was stopped by the flagstick. Meanwhile it would appear here C gets a 2sp .......am I reading this right?
The flagstick no longer appears as an exception under movable obstruction however an exception under 15-2 sends you to 11-3 which then sends you to 13-2 with regard to the flagstick.
Could A have instructed C not to move the flagstick to gain some advantage?

Not sure if I'm confusing myself here.......
So what is the status of the flagstick once it is removed [therefore no longer attended as per new wording]?
In it's new position lying on the green can the flagstick be moved by anyone whilst a ball is in motion?

Looking for a dark room to sit in :-)

Re: R13-2 Removed Flagstick unattended or attended

PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:53 am
by Doug
I reckon the exception is a detail they haven't got round to yet.

Re: R13-2 Removed Flagstick unattended or attended

PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:49 pm
by RJM
MikeH wrote:Trying to get my head around some of the wording and thinking behind this new proposed rule

"Purpose of Rule 13.2: This Rule explains the player’s choices for dealing with the flagstick and what happens when a ball hits the flagstick. The player may leave the flagstick in the hole or have it attended or removed, but must decide before making a stroke. The player gets no penalty if the ball hits the unattended flagstick in the hole or accidentally hits an attended or removed flagstick or the person attending it, and the ball is normally played as it lies."

Players A, B and C are on the green. Green is reasonably steep being higher at the back. A is away and putting across the green and he elects to have the flagstick removed. B removes the flagstick and places it 3 yards away below the hole. A putts and the ball lips out at 90* to his line of putt and is now travelling with enough pace down the green toward the flagstick. C jumps in and moves the flagstick away and the ball finishes off the green.

My understanding is there would be no penalty to A if his ball was stopped by the flagstick. Meanwhile it would appear here C gets a 2sp .......am I reading this right?
The flagstick no longer appears as an exception under movable obstruction however an exception under 15-2 sends you to 11-3 which then sends you to 13-2 with regard to the flagstick.
Could A have instructed C not to move the flagstick to gain some advantage?

Not sure if I'm confusing myself here.......
So what is the status of the flagstick once it is removed [therefore no longer attended as per new wording]?
In it's new position lying on the green can the flagstick be moved by anyone whilst a ball is in motion?

Looking for a dark room to sit in :-)


Surfaced this last week. My info says it's an "unintended consequence" and will probably be fixed in the next revision such that it remains as now - no penalty to C.